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May 3, 2022·edited May 3, 2022

Thanks for you patience and elaboration. I too gave up on the original conversation about half way through. Bret is ~totally a McGilchristian description of a left hemispheric position who cannot contemplate the idea that his beloved, grasped, simplistic map is not the territory ("science, 1001, is the best"). Pageau with his levels is archetypally right hemisphere (in this conversation as re "orthodox" not sure how IMvG would characterise that.. sacred but mapped as it were). Bret engages time and time again in behaviours that are characteristic of right hemisphere damage, complete smugness that he is right and compete blindness to the wider picture (eg that his morality does not come from his genes any more than say his favourite football team (qv John Cleese's great sketch "this is the gene for saying this is the gene for")). Even as a scientist Bret is this very old fashioned materialist compared to a quantum physicist or a say Sheldrakian biologist. After all the human genome project was a catastrophe compared to materialistic expectations of its outcome.

There must also here be another unmentioned context, namely Bret's religious experiences as a child and I assume rejection of Judaism qua faith rather than ethnos/culture.

At least Peterson is happy to say he doesn't know re "God"/metaphysics. Bret kinda predicates that there is no such thing which make him hard to listen to in this context (even if on covid he did great work platforming eg Malone early on).

Scientism is so well know to us that it's mechanical predictability is a tedious listen. I'd rather listen to Pageau taking to say a psychic or a Sufi or a Lama or Styx666, way more interesting, less predictable and far more of a challenge to Pageau than a philosophical materialist. They are the kind of dying species who think they are doing great!

In passing by way of great link in case you haven't seen it, Iain McGilchrist is currently on his channel having hour long conversations about each of the chapters of his latest mega opus. A man who bridges all science/ineffable dividers as he has lived, and continues to live, them both.

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