Nice work and I enjoyed your episode. I think one major angle missing here is that civilisations have never been founded (or rebooted) via lots of people having conversations. I am of course *not* dissing these invaluable conversations. Ideally you folks need to fold in someone whose area of expertise is "where did civilizations come from?". There's a German chap whose name is on the tip of my tongue but can't recall who pushes the oldskool great man hypothesis which is relevant in re (&of course cf Spengler metaphysical urge). Whether it is a Luther or a Jesus or a Mohammed or a Ghengist Khan it is *action* that kind of magnetises a direction along with the element of power (Academic Agent has written a book (as well as super-prolific YouTubing) on Italian elite theorist and also de Juvenal "On Power" type angles).
Anyway not dissing the great work and clever folk whose videos I listen to just pointing to the zoom out from "jaw jaw" must lead to some action otherwise just words in the air. Plus the essential point that no-one has talked a civilisation into being (and as for rebooting Christianity in the UK way more moslems go to mosque so one cant ignore demographic replacement).
Long story short how do civilisations historically, non-mythologically-speaking, arise + need to offset this kind of slow meeting of minds of modern representatives of scholasticism and universities - both of whom top notch at jaw jaw but never founded anything.
Keep up the good work and thank you for it. May you be long protected from your potential choice between offline/online incarnations.
I recaqlled the chap (in the middle of the night lol)... https://samoburja.com/ might be worth checking out in re: "There has never been an immortal human society. I work on figuring out why. There has never been an immortal society. No matter how technologically advanced our own society is, it is unlikely to be an exception. To achieve a positive future that defies these odds, we must understand the hidden forces that shape society"
Thank you for pointing me in all these directions. As a Christian and a Yarvin fan, here is something for me to explore. I've come to the conclusion that "state" and "religion" are synonyms, and "separation of Church and state" was a convenient fiction to empower the secular state.
Re looking for a return to the simple ‘certainties’ of Modernity, I know a lot of Christians who espouse that longing. Well heeled Conservatives in the main, those with a stake in the status quo. Which also marks my Progressive Christian friends, ironically in my experience as an Anglican, focussed on Cathedrals . . . which does lead me to my concern re Jonathan P, much as I think he has some great and very compelling insights. How far does his take on Christ find a foil or indeed a repudiation in the anti monarchical ‘kingship’ of Jesus? Can we really see clearly the Kingdom in the destruction of the old order of sin and death, or do are we still trying to work with blind eyes? Modernity’s reach goes deep within our souls
The monarchical vision has its uses but only in limited cases. I'm not at all sure that I understand or that Jonathan would agree with how you characterize his vision of governance.
It seems fairly obvious that as complexity increases there is a threshold at which the only governance can be distributed cognition. I realize that's frustrating for people that want to get things done and believe they have the right answer... But as history teaches centralized governance in large complex systems tends to lead to catastrophic suffering and death.
We have overly centralized governance now… and that governance has long ignored second order effects and is starting to ignore first order effects. This is leading towards the precipice of catastrophic suffering and death.
The “monarchy” Pageau pushes is much more decentralized, and Yarvin’s is actually more decentralized than the current system, however misguided some of his notions may be.
Nice work and I enjoyed your episode. I think one major angle missing here is that civilisations have never been founded (or rebooted) via lots of people having conversations. I am of course *not* dissing these invaluable conversations. Ideally you folks need to fold in someone whose area of expertise is "where did civilizations come from?". There's a German chap whose name is on the tip of my tongue but can't recall who pushes the oldskool great man hypothesis which is relevant in re (&of course cf Spengler metaphysical urge). Whether it is a Luther or a Jesus or a Mohammed or a Ghengist Khan it is *action* that kind of magnetises a direction along with the element of power (Academic Agent has written a book (as well as super-prolific YouTubing) on Italian elite theorist and also de Juvenal "On Power" type angles).
Anyway not dissing the great work and clever folk whose videos I listen to just pointing to the zoom out from "jaw jaw" must lead to some action otherwise just words in the air. Plus the essential point that no-one has talked a civilisation into being (and as for rebooting Christianity in the UK way more moslems go to mosque so one cant ignore demographic replacement).
Long story short how do civilisations historically, non-mythologically-speaking, arise + need to offset this kind of slow meeting of minds of modern representatives of scholasticism and universities - both of whom top notch at jaw jaw but never founded anything.
Keep up the good work and thank you for it. May you be long protected from your potential choice between offline/online incarnations.
Love and peace.
That's a great point.
I recaqlled the chap (in the middle of the night lol)... https://samoburja.com/ might be worth checking out in re: "There has never been an immortal human society. I work on figuring out why. There has never been an immortal society. No matter how technologically advanced our own society is, it is unlikely to be an exception. To achieve a positive future that defies these odds, we must understand the hidden forces that shape society"
Thank you for pointing me in all these directions. As a Christian and a Yarvin fan, here is something for me to explore. I've come to the conclusion that "state" and "religion" are synonyms, and "separation of Church and state" was a convenient fiction to empower the secular state.
Really Interesting comment Paul
Re looking for a return to the simple ‘certainties’ of Modernity, I know a lot of Christians who espouse that longing. Well heeled Conservatives in the main, those with a stake in the status quo. Which also marks my Progressive Christian friends, ironically in my experience as an Anglican, focussed on Cathedrals . . . which does lead me to my concern re Jonathan P, much as I think he has some great and very compelling insights. How far does his take on Christ find a foil or indeed a repudiation in the anti monarchical ‘kingship’ of Jesus? Can we really see clearly the Kingdom in the destruction of the old order of sin and death, or do are we still trying to work with blind eyes? Modernity’s reach goes deep within our souls
Looking forward to watching your videos
The monarchical vision has its uses but only in limited cases. I'm not at all sure that I understand or that Jonathan would agree with how you characterize his vision of governance.
It seems fairly obvious that as complexity increases there is a threshold at which the only governance can be distributed cognition. I realize that's frustrating for people that want to get things done and believe they have the right answer... But as history teaches centralized governance in large complex systems tends to lead to catastrophic suffering and death.
We have overly centralized governance now… and that governance has long ignored second order effects and is starting to ignore first order effects. This is leading towards the precipice of catastrophic suffering and death.
The “monarchy” Pageau pushes is much more decentralized, and Yarvin’s is actually more decentralized than the current system, however misguided some of his notions may be.