“the current crisis is going to force Christianity to address its schisms and begin to work together in its mission to this world.”
This is spot on. If we take a step back, what has been brewing in the past 5 years or so is really remarkable, and I think we’ve taken it for granted. We’re seeing a truly diverse “interfaith dialogue” occurring on a scale that is perhaps without precedent. It is difficult for me to imagine the sorts of conversations we’re seeing on the internet—with the Pageaus, Bp. Barrons, and PVKs of the world—happening even a decade ago. There is (generally) a high degree of respect and intellectual honesty behind it all, which is encouraging. Of course, there are your orthobros and tradcats and KJV-onlyers flailing about at times, but I think that’s only marginal, and to be expected whenever ideas converge. Underneath it all, there is a tangible truth that binds us, perhaps we can call it the logos. I’m finding more and more that the sensus fidelium is real.
For example, I, a completely convinced Catholic in the Midwest, am daily gleaning great insight from a Reformed Pastor in California and an Orthodox Christian in French Canada, with almost no friction from an orthodox Catholic perspective.
Could Cajetan or Calvin have possibly imagined things turning out this way?
Nice work and I enjoyed your episode. I think one major angle missing here is that civilisations have never been founded (or rebooted) via lots of people having conversations. I am of course *not* dissing these invaluable conversations. Ideally you folks need to fold in someone whose area of expertise is "where did civilizations come from?". There's a German chap whose name is on the tip of my tongue but can't recall who pushes the oldskool great man hypothesis which is relevant in re (&of course cf Spengler metaphysical urge). Whether it is a Luther or a Jesus or a Mohammed or a Ghengist Khan it is *action* that kind of magnetises a direction along with the element of power (Academic Agent has written a book (as well as super-prolific YouTubing) on Italian elite theorist and also de Juvenal "On Power" type angles).
Anyway not dissing the great work and clever folk whose videos I listen to just pointing to the zoom out from "jaw jaw" must lead to some action otherwise just words in the air. Plus the essential point that no-one has talked a civilisation into being (and as for rebooting Christianity in the UK way more moslems go to mosque so one cant ignore demographic replacement).
Long story short how do civilisations historically, non-mythologically-speaking, arise + need to offset this kind of slow meeting of minds of modern representatives of scholasticism and universities - both of whom top notch at jaw jaw but never founded anything.
Keep up the good work and thank you for it. May you be long protected from your potential choice between offline/online incarnations.
Thank you for pointing me in all these directions. As a Christian and a Yarvin fan, here is something for me to explore. I've come to the conclusion that "state" and "religion" are synonyms, and "separation of Church and state" was a convenient fiction to empower the secular state.
Re looking for a return to the simple ‘certainties’ of Modernity, I know a lot of Christians who espouse that longing. Well heeled Conservatives in the main, those with a stake in the status quo. Which also marks my Progressive Christian friends, ironically in my experience as an Anglican, focussed on Cathedrals . . . which does lead me to my concern re Jonathan P, much as I think he has some great and very compelling insights. How far does his take on Christ find a foil or indeed a repudiation in the anti monarchical ‘kingship’ of Jesus? Can we really see clearly the Kingdom in the destruction of the old order of sin and death, or do are we still trying to work with blind eyes? Modernity’s reach goes deep within our souls
The monarchical vision has its uses but only in limited cases. I'm not at all sure that I understand or that Jonathan would agree with how you characterize his vision of governance.
It seems fairly obvious that as complexity increases there is a threshold at which the only governance can be distributed cognition. I realize that's frustrating for people that want to get things done and believe they have the right answer... But as history teaches centralized governance in large complex systems tends to lead to catastrophic suffering and death.
“the current crisis is going to force Christianity to address its schisms and begin to work together in its mission to this world.”
This is spot on. If we take a step back, what has been brewing in the past 5 years or so is really remarkable, and I think we’ve taken it for granted. We’re seeing a truly diverse “interfaith dialogue” occurring on a scale that is perhaps without precedent. It is difficult for me to imagine the sorts of conversations we’re seeing on the internet—with the Pageaus, Bp. Barrons, and PVKs of the world—happening even a decade ago. There is (generally) a high degree of respect and intellectual honesty behind it all, which is encouraging. Of course, there are your orthobros and tradcats and KJV-onlyers flailing about at times, but I think that’s only marginal, and to be expected whenever ideas converge. Underneath it all, there is a tangible truth that binds us, perhaps we can call it the logos. I’m finding more and more that the sensus fidelium is real.
For example, I, a completely convinced Catholic in the Midwest, am daily gleaning great insight from a Reformed Pastor in California and an Orthodox Christian in French Canada, with almost no friction from an orthodox Catholic perspective.
Could Cajetan or Calvin have possibly imagined things turning out this way?
Nice work and I enjoyed your episode. I think one major angle missing here is that civilisations have never been founded (or rebooted) via lots of people having conversations. I am of course *not* dissing these invaluable conversations. Ideally you folks need to fold in someone whose area of expertise is "where did civilizations come from?". There's a German chap whose name is on the tip of my tongue but can't recall who pushes the oldskool great man hypothesis which is relevant in re (&of course cf Spengler metaphysical urge). Whether it is a Luther or a Jesus or a Mohammed or a Ghengist Khan it is *action* that kind of magnetises a direction along with the element of power (Academic Agent has written a book (as well as super-prolific YouTubing) on Italian elite theorist and also de Juvenal "On Power" type angles).
Anyway not dissing the great work and clever folk whose videos I listen to just pointing to the zoom out from "jaw jaw" must lead to some action otherwise just words in the air. Plus the essential point that no-one has talked a civilisation into being (and as for rebooting Christianity in the UK way more moslems go to mosque so one cant ignore demographic replacement).
Long story short how do civilisations historically, non-mythologically-speaking, arise + need to offset this kind of slow meeting of minds of modern representatives of scholasticism and universities - both of whom top notch at jaw jaw but never founded anything.
Keep up the good work and thank you for it. May you be long protected from your potential choice between offline/online incarnations.
Love and peace.
Thank you for pointing me in all these directions. As a Christian and a Yarvin fan, here is something for me to explore. I've come to the conclusion that "state" and "religion" are synonyms, and "separation of Church and state" was a convenient fiction to empower the secular state.
Really Interesting comment Paul
Re looking for a return to the simple ‘certainties’ of Modernity, I know a lot of Christians who espouse that longing. Well heeled Conservatives in the main, those with a stake in the status quo. Which also marks my Progressive Christian friends, ironically in my experience as an Anglican, focussed on Cathedrals . . . which does lead me to my concern re Jonathan P, much as I think he has some great and very compelling insights. How far does his take on Christ find a foil or indeed a repudiation in the anti monarchical ‘kingship’ of Jesus? Can we really see clearly the Kingdom in the destruction of the old order of sin and death, or do are we still trying to work with blind eyes? Modernity’s reach goes deep within our souls
The monarchical vision has its uses but only in limited cases. I'm not at all sure that I understand or that Jonathan would agree with how you characterize his vision of governance.
It seems fairly obvious that as complexity increases there is a threshold at which the only governance can be distributed cognition. I realize that's frustrating for people that want to get things done and believe they have the right answer... But as history teaches centralized governance in large complex systems tends to lead to catastrophic suffering and death.