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Col Wobs's avatar

I agree with Paul and think that we have lost sight of the "ideal" in many different sets of circumstances including this same sex marriage debate within Christianity. My church in the UK, Church of England, allows gay clergy to live together but they have to vow to abstain from any kind of sexual behaviour. I feel this has already crossed the line and goes directly against the teachings of the Bible and whilst I'd never condone hatred of anyone I would refuse to attend services led by a gay vicar, the hypocrisy alone would stop me attending.

It's not my place to Judge, that's Gods job, but I can criticise and I can disagree and I can voice my opinion and have done so at several Parochial meetings in the last few years. Our church is divided on the issue though and is becoming increasingly "woke" and I see their acquiescence on this one subject being more of a political move and one that smacks of desperation.

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James Lee's avatar

Hi Paul, I wonder what it would be like having you in conversation with Andrew Klavan. I know in his role as political polemicist you would find him objectionable but on marriage and sexuality I think you would find common ground and good will. As an adult Christian convert he appears affirming of all the orthodox/traditional propositions but it's also clear he loves his adult son Spencer, who is in a same sex marriage. I have heard him say in his show (I paraphrase) that the biological child with biological male/female parents is the human ideal but that we fallen humans can find a place to put other relationships that is not simply rejection. Seems like you could accept that frame. .... Keep doing what you are doing, sir. I appreciate your living example.

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