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I agree with Paul and think that we have lost sight of the "ideal" in many different sets of circumstances including this same sex marriage debate within Christianity. My church in the UK, Church of England, allows gay clergy to live together but they have to vow to abstain from any kind of sexual behaviour. I feel this has already crossed the line and goes directly against the teachings of the Bible and whilst I'd never condone hatred of anyone I would refuse to attend services led by a gay vicar, the hypocrisy alone would stop me attending.

It's not my place to Judge, that's Gods job, but I can criticise and I can disagree and I can voice my opinion and have done so at several Parochial meetings in the last few years. Our church is divided on the issue though and is becoming increasingly "woke" and I see their acquiescence on this one subject being more of a political move and one that smacks of desperation.

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Hi Paul, I wonder what it would be like having you in conversation with Andrew Klavan. I know in his role as political polemicist you would find him objectionable but on marriage and sexuality I think you would find common ground and good will. As an adult Christian convert he appears affirming of all the orthodox/traditional propositions but it's also clear he loves his adult son Spencer, who is in a same sex marriage. I have heard him say in his show (I paraphrase) that the biological child with biological male/female parents is the human ideal but that we fallen humans can find a place to put other relationships that is not simply rejection. Seems like you could accept that frame. .... Keep doing what you are doing, sir. I appreciate your living example.

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“That debate for me is played out. Sides are hardened. People aren't listening to each other.“ Sounds Oh So Familiar

This narrative seems to be playing itself out globally

Your recent video on Wolfgang Smith led me to his book on ‘ The Evolutionary Christianity of Chardin ‘ It strikes me that this has a grip on the minds of the progressives be they aware of it or no - ‘off we go into a glorious future for me [sic]’

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If you wish to circumambulate together around something you must first decide what is the central point that you all will walk around. Self-realization is the modern word for pride which is the modern word for self naming which is the fall of Adam and Eve. The church is wishing to eat from the tree because they wish to have what they want. Pride cometh before a fall. Get ready for a fall...

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