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Paul, I too am only 30 minutes into JBP/JV, and had started your commentary first but stopped when I saw you felt confused and bothered. I wanted to see the original for myself before seeing your take (which is what I usually do). As an aside, I'm a Star Trek fan who loved Enterprise on its first run because I stayed away from negative commentary that could influence me. I have a history with this, lol.

So only 30 minutes in, while Jordan's interruptions have been a bit bothersome, I have two observations.

1) There's a give and take between them that make this a far more casual conversation among *peers* than either one's usual MO. They speak the same language, easily, and have clearly had some conversations over the years to know how the other one reacts/overreacts/interracts. There are inside "jokes" and personal knowledge coming out that make this more of an eavesdropping than an interview. We are all flies on the YouTube wall with this.

2) As someone with ADHD for over fifty years, this begins to sound like what goes on in my monkey mind -- which is usually treated as a negative. In this case, though, it's as if each person is a side of the brain. John takes the part of the Left brain with reasoning, logic, details. Jordan takes the Right side, with intuition, imagination, creativity. Order and Chaos. The Center and the Edge. These interjections and interruptions are more normal to me as I THINK than as I speak or listen. And as Jordan has said many times, you have to speak in order to think. In the beginning, he's blurting out his speaking part as he tries to think with John's Left brain.

And they each actually know exactly what the other one is talking about, when we have no idea.

I'm really excited to see what all comes out of this as it spirals out into our little corners of the world.

This conversation is fascinating.

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"We all belong to cults. The cult you cannot see is the one you belong to." - paraphrasing overseas journalist Michael Yon.

... Thank you, Paul. I think you mean you 'ARE' motivated to continue diving into this conversation. I appreciate now having your Substack to digest your thoughts along with gathering up snippets of your video commentary (although those are edifying immensely). I am about halfway through he JV/ JBP conversation and 30 min through your first commentary. Normally I try to listen to podcasts at 1.5x to get more information in but I had slow theirs down to 1x to even attempt to follow them. You framed the language that it seemed JBP was 'manic' or 'schizophrenic' in the lay sense of the terms and I found it annoying that he kept interrupting JV. As you asked- 'Is JBP alright?'. That question is still out there. Still, if JV (still a member of the Blue Church in good standing) thought he wasted his time or was offended by JBP, how come he consented to having the conversation released? (Or am I mistaken and JV is embarrassed to be party to this 'insane' conversation?) .... Fascinating. I continue finding meaning following you on this path online and in person. Regards, sir. I've got to get back to my day job.

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Paul, I really like these written summaries. I don't always have time for the videos and

I appreciate the immediacy of being able to track with you on shared interests. Thanks!

There is a short 100pg read by Iris Murdoch titled, 'The Sovereignty of Good' which I see shining through Vervaeke w/ JBP (especially near the end).

I picked it up at Vervaeke's recommendation. I know you don't need MORE content to sift through, but I heartily recommend it for inisght into how Vervaeke's philosophy takes shape. Its also just a darn intriguing read that Ive enjoyed.

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Paul thank you for pointing me to your substack... This sounds like the video that I've been waiting for you to do on this conversation so let's have a listen...

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